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« on: December 11, 2008, 11:03:29 PM »


I went away to Curl today and on my return found probably the most postings since Vernon.  I found some of them to be offensive but also many constructive.  If you wish to make comments it would be, in my opinion, much better if we knew who you are? 
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 12:14:38 AM »

Members of the forum can find out who I am by checking my email address.  Those who are lurkers will have to join the forum to find out.

The Royal Caledonian Curling Club will not take the forum seriously until posters shed their anonymity and will certainly not respond to anonymous posts.  Colin Grahamslaw differed on the rights and wrongs of this from a couple of us at the meeting, but in any case, the choice is stark: keep the forum as something of a talking shop or try to be a positive force for change by losing our anonymity.

My own thought is that it would be a shame to lose the anonymity as it does allow people to open up where otherwise they might not be able to for fear of career repercussions etc.  If you really feel strongly about something, send Colin or Bob an email - they guaranteed that they would respond.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 08:29:56 AM »

I must agree with G83 that anonymity has an important role to play. The RCCC is however taking the easy option here by blaming the lack of openness for their lack of communication, all they have to do is appoint someone (such as the communications officer) to follow the forum (which doesn't take more than a few minutes on most days) and then reply on behalf of the RCCC after consulting with relevant parties.
Where names become a problem is when certain individuals start the slagging contest and, however well deserved those might be, that is never pretty. The said individual who burst into tears certainly improved in communication after that incident, but that does not justify slagging. I spend most my time on the forum now trying to spot these comments and edit them before they become a problem, because I have seen forums die an unnatural death because of them. So, for those names who do not indentify themselves, beware, because it is only a matter of time before you will not be allowed to comment unless you identify who you are! Your secrecy is, in reality, putting the entire forum at risk, simply because of a small number who choose to slag.

Meanwhile, anyone who has something to say and can say it with a degree of politeness, please do so, and urge all the guests to join!
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 08:36:39 AM »

I think the problem with names is that some will be known and some won't.  I can pretty much Guarantee 95% to 99% of people won't know who I am or even have heard of me, but it seems to be the case that 90% or so of the posters on here are either well known or high enough up the tree to have something to lose if they were identified. 

Oh and I just tried to check and see who you were Gramancho but you address come up listed as hidden. Smiley


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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 08:45:54 AM »

Internet forums have always been anonymous and will more than likely continue to be like that (I know Hibby has already highlighted this).  Many people use this forum to air views that they feel they can't discuss in public and whether someone puts a name to a post does not indicate how valid a point they make.  It seems strange to take this stance after reading one thread.  Would have the same response if someone sent an Anonymous email?

I remember the thread well and it was to do with RCCC communications on the website at the time, which we all have to admit was poor.  I would have thought it was a opportunity for the RCCC to get some good PR from a negative post, but IMO they missed a trick.......again.  They chose to ignore it because of they way one or two posters put their point across rather than see it as a positive comment and somewhere they need to improve.  The vast majority of the critisim on this site is constructive and it's another missed chance if they choose to ignore it.

Most regular users of the forum know who I am.................if you don't all you need to do is look back to December 2007 on Bob's blog (if it's still there) on you'll find out.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 10:07:38 AM »

Thanks for flagging that up, strathydoug.  I think I have edited things so that you can now see.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 10:42:54 AM »

It is imperative that if a forum such as this is to remain relevant that anonymity IS an option. Some may not mind their identity being known but equally (for any number of reasons) some others might.
I would not expect a governing body to reply to posts here BUT they should acknowledge that they will view the site and address any RELEVANT concerns on their own website. (I thought this site was set up by an rccc development officer with a view to increasing communication between governing body and membership?)
All forums will have morons posting on them occasionally, but it cannot be an excuse to say " there was a hurtful post on that site once therefore you are all bad people with irrelevant views..." although it is the easy way out.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2008, 11:25:54 AM »

Also, the fact that you have to register in order to post, takes away a certain part of anonymity. Meaning that if you post rubbish all day, nobody will actually take you serious if you contribute something meaningful once in a while. E.g. you will build yourself a reputation with your nickname, which can then be used as an indicator of how serious your posts should be taken. Best counter example is the messageboard of the "Swiss Curling Player", a forum similar to this one, but with an registered and an unregistered section. While there are some people who regularly contribute well thought through posts in the unregistered section, there's also plenty of idiots who run around on there. Not so much on the registered boards, since hesitation of registering keeps away many of the rude posters...


But I think the "anonymity" of this forum (registered, but not necessary with your real name) has one big advantage: Because you mostly don't really know who's behind the nicks, everybody starts out on an even turf regarding the weight their opinion carries.

I mean, if you can't really know who's saying something, you are more likely to actually read this person's post, rather than dismissing it "as an opinion from some unimportant, not relevant person". I mean, to be honest, the opinion of a former scottish champion, or a scottish representative will carry much more weight than the opinion of a "lowly RCCC member" would. While this certainly has its reasons, I think a forum like this should also be for common members to express and discuss opinions, which the elite and the governing body should have a look at. They may take up those ideas or may not. But often, the normal members also care for what's happening and their thoughts may be valuable additions, so they should not be dismissed as non-relevant ahead of being heard. And I think anonymity can provide for some protection towards that behaviour...
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 12:24:36 PM »

It would surely be impossible to police and make sure that posters were using their correct names anyway, anyone could set up a hotmail account and register a false name. The only way it could be done would be using credit card details which would be unfeasible or taking rccc membership numbers which since this is not an rccc site would be inappropriate and would alienate non-members which would certainly be a backwards step. I personally have no problem either with people knowing who I am but I am also just a club curler from Dumfriesshire with nothing to lose. If anyone has the burning desire to know my identity then just PM me. I'm certainly no A-list celebrity!!
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 01:18:48 PM »


But I think the "anonymity" of this forum (registered, but not necessary with your real name) has one big advantage: Because you mostly don't really know who's behind the nicks, everybody starts out on an even turf regarding the weight their opinion carries.

I mean, if you can't really know who's saying something, you are more likely to actually read this person's post, rather than dismissing it "as an opinion from some unimportant, not relevant person". I mean, to be honest, the opinion of a former scottish champion, or a scottish representative will carry much more weight than the opinion of a "lowly RCCC member" would. While this certainly has its reasons, I think a forum like this should also be for common members to express and discuss opinions, which the elite and the governing body should have a look at. They may take up those ideas or may not. But often, the normal members also care for what's happening and their thoughts may be valuable additions, so they should not be dismissed as non-relevant ahead of being heard. And I think anonymity can provide for some protection towards that behaviour...

What a very sensible answer!
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 01:34:10 PM »

OTB....does the photograph not give the game away Grin Grin   or did you choose a photo of a nice young handsome man curling to throw us off the scent.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 03:05:49 PM »

OTB....does the photograph not give the game away Grin Grin   or did you choose a photo of a nice young handsome man curling to throw us off the scent.

LOL - Ask me to speak Swedish and that'll give it away!  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2008, 10:28:26 AM »

I'm just a humble club curler myself but now I know who people are (myreserach is paying off now) I can actually understand better the angles that they are coming from and why they post the way they do.
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 07:03:20 PM »

I'm just a humble club curler myself but now I know who people are (myreserach is paying off now) I can actually understand better the angles that they are coming from and why they post the way they do.

My angle is whatever the Skip or Third tells me to play!! Cheesy

Seriously, my name here on the forum really IS my name (unusual second name, I know), so I have it all ready made, I just need to work up to playing that particular position competently!!

Of course, the drawback with having a name like that is that everybody knows who you are as it isn't very likely that there will be many others out there.

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 01:49:20 PM »

The dangers, however, of having your name on the forum match the name on your t-shirt (as I did this week), and the name you write under and so on is that people recognise you... I'm known to many more people as that "hibby" from the forum, not as Dave Hibberd.

While it doesn't bother me, it does mean that whenver I post something someone disagrees with and I meet them, I'm a marked man, and as such they will make sure that I know they disagree with me.

i've had some fun run ins already this year.

Equally, I do like being opposed so i have to justify my viewpoints, proving to me, and anyone else, that I really do know what I'm talking about!
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