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"Brits employ some dodgey sweeping techniques"

« on: February 23, 2010, 11:30:58 PM »

"Memo to Kelly Wood, the second for Eve Muirhead’s British team: you know, if you’re going to cheat, you could at least be subtle about it.
But there was absolutely nothing subtle about the way she was attempting to dump debris in front of Muirhead’s heavy draw attempts in the second and seventh ends, and while none of them would comment publicly afterwards, there were some smiles from Canadian players when asked if they had noticed the obvious dumping.
As it became obvious that the draws were heavy, Wood was clearly seen ending her light brush stroke in the middle of the rock’s running path and then lifting her broom, which is a clear violation of the rules. Which begs the question: when, oh when, will an official step up and call this? It really does the sport a disservice when nonsense like this is allowed to go on.
I know, desperate times call for desperate measures, but really, that’s a little beyond the pale."

http://communities.canada.com/calgaryherald/blogs/curling/archive/2010/02/23/brits-employ-some-dodgy-sweeping-techniques.aspx

from Al Camerons blog again


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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 11:38:45 PM »

Fair point......

But one of our female sweepers doesn't even sweep in front of the stone!

I don't think Kelly was dumping looking at it.......if she had been tapping the running path yes but dry you eyes Canada, your the best winners in the world but the worlds worst loosers!


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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 11:43:33 PM »

i have to say that i think she was dumping it, or at least trying flick frost onto the running path. if they were cleaning it to actually clean it you, surely wouldnt use the hair broom.

as well as that, Eves draw was steaming through, and she was still cleaning it right up until the t line. Murdoch's team do it way more, but are better at hiding it. but anyway, yeah, stop moaning Canadians.


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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2010, 12:35:29 AM »

Quote from: rickybobby on February 23, 2010, 11:30:58 PM

Memo to Kelly Wood, the second for Eve Muirhead’s British team: you know, if you’re going to cheat, you could at least be subtle about it.
But there was absolutely nothing subtle about the way she was attempting to dump debris in front of Muirhead’s heavy draw attempts in the second and seventh ends, and while none of them would comment publicly afterwards, there were some smiles from Canadian players when asked if they had noticed the obvious dumping.
As it became obvious that the draws were heavy, Wood was clearly seen ending her light brush stroke in the middle of the rock’s running path and then lifting her broom, which is a clear violation of the rules. Which begs the question: when, oh when, will an official step up and call this? It really does the sport a disservice when nonsense like this is allowed to go on.
I know, desperate times call for desperate measures, but really, that’s a little beyond the pale.

http://communities.canada.com/calgaryherald/blogs/curling/archive/2010/02/23/brits-employ-some-dodgy-sweeping-techniques.aspx

from Al Camerons blog again

WoW what an accusation Shocked

I would have to say that when I saw Kelly sweeping those stones I thought I was witnessing the new technique I have witnesses the elite using this last few seasons where they take a heavy stroke and then a light stroke which I am lead to believe slows the stone!!!!!

I was not aware of her lifting her brush and(without replay) I would say that she did complete the stroke each time,

Does anyone else have any experience of this technique?


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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2010, 12:42:05 AM »

Was it not just part of the new super sweeping method that has made such a difference!!


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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2010, 11:04:41 AM »

As far as the sweeping with one heavy stroke and then one light stroke goes, this has been demonstrated to me by a team member in a competition last season, and it does slow the stone down! I have not seen Kelly's sweeping action that is in question, so can't comment!


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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2010, 03:03:12 PM »

Can I add to this thread that this is not the only example I have seen of using wrong sweeping motions. I am new to the game and have been taught by a coach who puts a lot of emphasis on sweeping. The rule book says:

R7. Sweeping
(a) The sweeping motion is in a side-to-side direction (it need not cover the entire width of the stone), deposits no debris in front of a moving stone, and finishes to either side of the stone.

I saw a number of teams sweeping from behind the Stone sweep too and fro along the length of travel, sometimes at a slight angle to try to keep the stone straight. This is also surely a volition of rules but was perpetrated by a number of players.

Additionally I noticed a number of skips sweeping a line back from the t-line in preparation of the opponents stone reaching the line. Again isn't this a violation of the rules?


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Re: "Brits employ some dodgey sweeping techniques"

« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2010, 10:17:30 PM »

@david_p

The sweeping rule is fraught with difficulties. WCF rules used to be different from RCCC, now they are pretty much a copy/paste. The "side to side" bit does not specify the angle. Perhaps you assumed 90 degrees to the angle of the stone's tragectory? But surely an angle of 80 degrees would do? How about 45 degrees? Or Maybe 10?

There is no real excuse for the "cleaning" - not sweeping of course, that would be illegal - of large parts of the path of a stone before it is released. There is much more of this that there used to be. But if you can accept that using a stopwatch to time stones is not measuring them ( also illegal) then it is easy to grasp cleaning the ice not being actually sweeping it.

I got a real surprise in my first competitive game in Canada - no I won't tell you how long ago that was - when as soon as my skip released his first big draw of the game on ice with a litte frost on it, the opposition skip started to sweep behing the T line. Perfectly legal in Canada at the time, we were a little surprised!


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