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« on: August 08, 2011, 02:36:29 PM »


Hi!

Am hoping to pick some brains here regarding curling history... Was up at Scone Palace at the weekend there. And littered around the palace (as door stops) are old curling stones and in one of the rooms is a large old painting of curlers outside that apparently was given to the family by the RCCC.  I know the story of Queen Victoria and Albert being given a demonstration of curling in the Palace back in 1842, but other than that does anyone know why the family appear to have a close link to curling?
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2011, 09:25:59 PM »

Am hoping to pick some brains here regarding curling history... Was up at Scone Palace at the weekend there. And littered around the palace (as door stops) are old curling stones and in one of the rooms is a large old painting of curlers outside that apparently was given to the family by the RCCC.  I know the story of Queen Victoria and Albert being given a demonstration of curling in the Palace back in 1842, but other than that does anyone know why the family appear to have a close link to curling?

Hi Paris
Scone is the family seat of the Earl of Mansfield. In 1842, when Queen Victoria visited, the Earl just happened to be the President of the Royal Caledonian Curling Club, although it didn't have the 'Royal' title at the time.

The painting is of interest. It fact I own it - along with all the other members of the Royal Caledonian Curling Club! It is on loan to Scone Palace. Carsebreck by Charles Martin Hardie was painted in 1899 to celebrate the Royal Club's diamond jubilee and was presented to the RCCC by Sir James Gibson-Craig in 1902 (or thereabouts). It is a companion to the earlier Grand Match painting by Charles Lees for which the Royal Club is currently trying to raise money to restore. Hardie's painting cannot be sold though. In the deed of gift to the Royal Club there was written that if the Club no longer wanted it, it would be offered to the National Portrait Gallery, and if the gallery didn't want it, it would revert back to the family! Incidentally, there is a smaller version of the Hardie already in the National Portrait Gallery collection. You can see it online here:
http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/online_az/4:322/result/0/8207?initial=H&artistId=3553&artistName=Charles%20Martin%20Hardie&submit=12706
There is research to be done to find out how the NPG's painting relates to the one at Scone which is owned by the Royal Club.

When I was last at Scone, the painting there was not easily viewed, as access to the room was limited. Were you able to actually stand in front of the painting when you were there at the weekend?

Hope this all helps.
Bob

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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2011, 11:26:48 PM »

Paris

Very pleased that you have visited Scone palace and enjoyed it.

Your post has rung a bell somewhere. My original Mother Club was Methven Curling Club, founded (I think 1831) and I am sure that in the old minute books there were competitions recorded which had the involvement of the Laird Mansfield, although as team-mate or competitor I can't honestly remember. The point is however is that all and sundry at that time used to get involved in curling matches outdoors.

An interesting point is that if you follow Bob's link to the biography of the painting refered to, it mentions the fact that Carsebeck was a venue "which was flooded to form a safe sheet of ice for the Grand Matches" . Obviously matches were well planned then.

Might I venture the tentative view that the current 2012 grand match committee might have something to learn from our curling forefathers from 110+ years ago HuhHuhHuhHuh
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 12:16:01 AM »

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You can actually watch curling at a Grand Match on Carsebreck as recently as 1935. Go to this link:
http://ssa.nls.uk/film.cfm?fid=6030

And this post:
http://curlinghistory.blogspot.com/2010/01/grand-match-of-2010-that-never-was.html
has a still photo of the railway siding beside the pond, from 1929. These were the days. Special steam trains took you to the match!

Bob
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 11:32:14 PM »

It's amusing to learn about curling history, thank you so much for the share. You guys have made my day
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