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« on: November 05, 2011, 09:27:28 AM »


This seems like a good opportunity for discussion.  Bob' Blog tells us that David has been appointed Professional at Greenacres and personally I am quite happy with that - but - I have been told that he is not an official RCCC Coach and that some of them are unhappy with this appointment.

What does the Forum think?
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 10:23:29 AM »

he is not an official RCCC Coach and that some of them are unhappy with this appointment.

Considering that the RCCC does not list an ADO for Greenacres, I must assume there is good reason why they don't have one. The most obvious reason seems to me must be that Richard does not agree with the system. I must tell you he is not alone, in many places the ADOs are not totally respected and are even unwelcome, but tolerated nonetheless (and I immediately stress that most ADOs are very good and hard-working people!). So, if Richard feels that the Pro is a better way, why should he employ an official RCCC coach? He could employ anyone he likes, and David is an excellent choice. "Unhappy with this appointment"? You bet!

It would be helpful if someone from the RCCC could explain exactly why they feel aggrieved in some way over this.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 12:53:16 PM »

This seems like an excellent idea - and an astonishingly inexpensive rate. What would a golf lesson cost from an elite golfer?   And while there is no guarantee that a world champion performer is a world class coach, how much would you need to learn to make £20.00 per hour worth it? 

I'm off to Greenacres next week-end for the Gormac with my new knee-will-never-be-the-same, under-practiced, self-taught, delivery. Maybe I should book a lesson.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 07:11:45 PM »

Sounds a good idea but how much time will Dave be able to spend with curlers if he is still playing abroad a lot, so far has he not been in Canada for couple of weeks, Switzerland, Perth and will be off to Moscow soon.  Will he be able to 'coach' anyone before Christmas. 

Wonder what the insurance situation is as I can remember a couple of years ago our club booked a sheet of ice and some of the more experienced curlers were helping the newer/less confident curlers, in a game format, when the local RCCC coach found out the were not happy and told us in no uncertain terms not to do it again as we were not insured. So we have not had any more development days!! 
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 08:28:22 PM »

Thanks for the interesting comments Buck.

I think that the time issue is between David and Greenacres.

The insurance aspect is worthy of consideration although I sure that Greenacres will have thought of it and sorted it - but - most Curlers when I was involved were insured under the RCCC insurance scheme and I wonder how this will operate with a non certificated or qualified coach - no matter how wonderful a Curler he is. 

As before - what does the Forum think and I would appreciate comment from any of the RCCC hierarchy who lurk on this Forum.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2011, 12:22:58 AM »

The insurance card is used by RCCC on occasion to get their own way, don't listen. Like all businesses ice rinks will be covered by public liability and the usual employers indemnity. So if DM is an employee as stated rest assured its not a problem
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2011, 11:50:51 AM »

I never thought that I'd be saying this.

Invicta is absolutely correct.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2011, 08:27:37 PM »

I did think that about the insurance cause all players were club members and we had the sheet booked like it was a game so was not worried that much.  The said individual would not have it that we were trying to move the club on without a RCCC coach!  We had taken a sheet of ice and were trying to move things forward.  Since then we had not taken any extra sheets so said ice rink loses out and we may be losing RCCC members!
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2011, 12:20:29 PM »

It seems to me that a quick check of the Public Liability Section of the Club's Insurance Policy would iron out this problem. I doubt the it excludes members of the Public who are being shown the ropes by Club Members, but it may.

My brief experience of the RCCC's Instructor Training was that it was prescriptive, in the extreme, and, in particular, the recommended "Warm-up Routine" was almost totally un-related to the nature of the use of that the muscles would be put too, while playing a game of Curling. I doubt the person that planned that got a 2.1, let alone a decent Degree. It was the kind of useless "Parrot Talk" that is rolled out when you are taken round your local Gym/Fitness Club for the first time! Misguided and unlikely to be followed.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2011, 03:15:05 PM »

I never thought I'd be saying this

Wee Ed is totally correct!


The RCCC coaching courses are dispensed with no flexibility or consideration for who you might be teaching and the circumstances involved.
ie an office group out for some team bonding have different requirements to club coaching which turn differs from teaching kids
Once they have the certificate some ( not all ) coaches reckon they have the final say - not so

Buckminster - wherever you curl the rink will have insurance so go ahead and book ice, get more members for your club and progress in the best way you see fit cos nobody will have any sympathy when the club folds due to lack of interest


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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2011, 10:59:48 AM »

Loneg - precisely my point.
In this instance said coach has completely misread the situation and treated the group as if they were attending a come and try session. What your local company wanted was a quick 15 min intro on ice and to get some fun games going as quickly as possible - in essence to "have a bash" , they may even have enjoyed it enough to take up the sport. Instead they have been delivered quotes directly from the coaching manual with the end result that they probably won't be back. Shame, but this is no doubt happening all over the country at a time when we need more people playing than ever but the inflexibility of the system is putting them off.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2011, 05:03:05 PM »

my previous reply doesn't make much sense now Lonegunman has removed their last message -
Loneg - I hope you were not brow beaten intro removing last post ?
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 05:38:01 PM »

Invicta,  usually the moderators will note that they have removed or censored anything, either Lonegunman deleted his own post or there is a glitch in the system. Maybe Lonegunman or mods could confirm???

Buck...do You have a Development Officer in your rink??  they might be the person to act as a kind of go between. They are very likely to be keen to get new blood involved and possibly moderate the coaches view.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 05:46:07 PM »

p911 - I didn't see it so obviously couldn't remove it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 08:09:28 PM »

I did see the post, and it has been removed, but not by me. Allow me to say that, what Lonegunmen (not to be confused with LG who is Logan Gray) posted, was what I too felt and had experienced. As an ice technician, which I believe he is, he posted facts that his boss would have reacted to. I had the same stuff for years. However, he has every right to remove his own posts.

Which reminds me, at one stage Invicta appeared rather adept at removing his own posts, usually after he had stirred the pot a bit. So what? Or did someone remove his posts for him? Rather convenient, it would seem, for him to ask now who removed Loneg's posts.

Too late for me, more tomorrow.
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