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« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2010, 12:17:59 PM »

Bah Humbug  JJK  Grin...but don't we already have a committee who are supposed to organise this rather than us "outdoor enthusiasts ". It's suggested that around £2000 per year is collected for this purpose. Anybody know where we might confirm this, and find out how the money is actually spent?
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« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2010, 01:52:04 PM »

The Grand Match is organised by a volunteer committee.  The Grand Match fund is currently £6417 according to the last annual accounts.
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« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2010, 04:14:41 PM »

To be honest, I'm surprised that Loch Leven is even on the radar as a Grand Match venue. As a National Nature Reserve and (at least partially) a RSPB reserve, the authorities do everything they can to prevent legitimate access to, and use of the loch during the rest of the year.

The main access point - Kirkgate Park - has no access for coaches, which would have to park some distance away either at Bridgend or on The Muirs (close to the NCA site). There are no public toilets in Kinross (or anywhere else in Perth & Kinross for that matter), although that should easily be resolved by moving some of the thousands of portaloos that are stored at Balado for T in the Park.

If the idea of freezing Loch Leven artificially was anything other than a light-hearted comment, then quite frankly it is plain daft. The enivornmental lobby for one, would never allow it.
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« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2010, 04:55:26 PM »

If the idea of freezing Loch Leven artificially was anything other than a light-hearted comment, then quite frankly it is plain daft. The enivornmental lobby for one, would never allow it.

Yes, it was a bit of a tease, but a serious one all the same. Anything is possible, is perhaps the point. When I looked at the options to provide a large number of sheets of ice reliably at a given time of year, the result was four rinks, with a suitable car park that can also be frozen and used, on occasion (see earlier). It has always amazed me how many people can be packed in at Balado for TitP, people who pay good money and enjoy the whole thing, and if there wasn't a profit at the end of it nothing will happen.

The serious bit is that the curling world will have to decide what they want and find the ways of doing it. Relying on Scottish weather for the odd Grand Match is not going to work for the future, but a reliable GM every year as a Festival of Curling is not such a stupid idea. As I said in an earlier post, the area of Kinross/Fife cannot support a large facility the year round, so keep looking at Edinburgh or Ratho. Wishful thinking will not provide a Grand Match, but serious effort and planning might well do. Provide sufficient sheets of ice (say 50) over two or three days, and everything becomes possible.

Your point of Nature Reserve is also highly valid, even without refrigeration, and of course the Lake of Menteith would have all the same problems.
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« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2010, 05:01:15 PM »

Unless I am mistaken, the Lake of Menteith is not an NNR, whereas Loch Leven is.
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« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2010, 05:09:19 PM »

Actually, Balado would be a fantastic venue for a Grand Match. It has a large, flat central area where 50 or more sheets could be laid out, with plenty space for parking coaches, thoooooosands of portaloos, and a motorway access very close by.

I think the best location, though, would be Strathclyde Loch. It is central, has good access, masses of parking, and a centre with toilets, cafe etc. The only issue might be keeping the neds off.
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« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2010, 05:14:50 PM »

Enough of this silly talk about artificially freezing lochs. The heritage and excitement of the Grand match comes about due to the fact it is only played outside. The novelty factor would wear off if it was to be played every year. We have got the weather now, we just want the bloody thing to be played. Come on rccc at least give us updated progress reports on the GM at the very least. Incidentally I have now curled outside and it was blooming good fun.
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« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2010, 05:17:38 PM »

There are no neds in Strathclyde Park - my grand children use it Grin  

From weather patterns it seems that the nearer the east coast the better chance of good black ice although from the lack of response from the hierarchy does it really matter?
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« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2010, 05:22:15 PM »

Not a GM by any means but we have been Curling on the Millport hill pond for some time now albeit on shortened rinks since very few people could get the stones up.  Possibly be playing the Dumfries Cup tomorrow against Bute if they can raise a team and definitely be having a BBQ and a few drams afterwards (the wee in front of drams was deliberately omitted!)
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« Reply #69 on: January 02, 2010, 05:29:55 PM »

Unless I am mistaken, the Lake of Menteith is not an NNR, whereas Loch Leven is.

The Lake of Menteith lies within the boundaries of the Loch Lomond & The Trossachs National Park. I'm sure that will put a spanner in the works somewhere.....
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« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2010, 05:43:07 PM »

Unless I am mistaken, the Lake of Menteith is not an NNR, whereas Loch Leven is.

The Lake of Menteith lies within the boundaries of the Loch Lomond & The Trossachs National Park. I'm sure that will put a spanner in the works somewhere.....
You think so? I would have thought that outdoor pursuits are exactly what National Parks are for.
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« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2010, 08:30:24 PM »

 :)Thanks Sandy,  as you were involved in the volunteer committe at one time (I think!) are you able to give a very brief idea of how we spend this money on an event that has not taken place for 30 years...and enjoy your outdoor game tomorrow, no matter the dram size.  If it didn't involve that bloomimg ferry trip I'd come and watch.

Of no interest to anyone but my grandfather lived in Ritchie St in Millport and i have memories as a very small boy being taken to watch curling, very early 50's Huh
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« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2010, 08:43:00 PM »

I was on the GM Committee and was also the Finance Convenor of the RCCC - GM money was never mentioned on either committee - I obviously didn't do the job well enough.  I wish Duthie was on this Forum because I am sure that whatever happened he would know and it would have happened properly and correctly.

The blooming ferry takes 8 minutes Grin

Send me a pm about your grandfather - Ritchie Street was about 10 yards away from my first shop!
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« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2010, 11:56:16 PM »

Thanks Sandy, I'm not at all suggesting any financial malpractise and I'm certain everything is done correctly. The question has now arisen on how this money is spent and it would be good to be able to know how the expenses incurred in maintaining the GM committee are allocated
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« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2010, 12:13:29 AM »

It's also interesting to see that this has been one of the most popular threads on this forum, 650+ hits and its only been going for a few days,pity we have not been able to pass on some positive news.
The RCCC site has no new information since it's first announcement. I know that this is a particularly awkward time with so many public holidays but i always imagined the GM committee with a plan of action all prepared covering every aspect, and just waiting for the right weather conditions before they would spring into action.
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