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« on: December 13, 2009, 10:22:59 PM »

Who is going through then? Probably the two Top 4's and the winner of the 5th place playoff.

Groups are
1 C Hamilton
2 N Joss     
3 J McWilliam
4 W Smith     
5 P Loudon   
6 D Mundell     
7 G Muirhaed
8 S Reid             
9 P Stevenson

1 T Brewster     
2 C Dick     
3 H McMillan     
4 G Black   
5 A Hannah   
6 M Fraser
7 J Dick     
8 G Shaw   
9 S Hamilton     

From the first group i will go with 4567(2) and the second group 1389(7) with 7 from group two winning the playoff
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 10:44:26 PM »
I've no idea who half the teams consist of and I've chaecked to see who they are already and I'm none the wiser
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2009, 06:15:58 PM »
Can anyone enlighten me as to whther there are any shock results so far?
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 06:51:24 PM »
Don't see any shocks but one game finished 10-2 after 5 ends.  I thought they had to play 6?
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2009, 07:52:22 PM »
Just checked the rules, rule k iii states:

"All games shall be 10 ends, a minimum of 6 ends must be completed in Round Robin and tie-breaker games, and 8 ends in play-off games.  All games must be played."

Does anyone know what happens in this instance if the rules have been broken?


Also interestingly at the Pre-Qualifiers stage not all games were played if my recollection serves me right? Perhaps someone can confirm?

If this is the case is there an issue about "forcing" teams to take to the ice, when they are eliminated, especially if they have great distances to travel after competitions?
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2009, 07:57:04 PM »
The Manager of Competitions is playing at this event - shouldn't the rules be fully enforced?
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 11:11:32 AM »
Not only is he playing in it he has actually just done the same thing himself - conceded after 5 Cry
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 05:20:09 PM »
The phrase "own goal" comes to mind.  No-one need fear now, a HHY isn't going to impose a sanction on himself now is he???

Can we clarify if the sixth end was played?
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2009, 05:33:55 PM »
now now boys - dont get yir knickers in a fankle.

i would say the roolz are intended for the finals not the qualifiers on the way there. If ur getting humped - i dont see the harm in coming off early. Ends and shots dont count and its not as if there are any spectators to satisfy except the umps and the man and his dog. Same goes for the meaningless games not played at the qualifiers.

sorry lads - stop trying to create hassle where none exists.
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2009, 05:55:53 PM »
Sorry DA - why bother with rules?  is that what you mean?
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2009, 07:38:35 PM »
Quote from: strathydoug on December 13, 2009, 10:44:26 PM
I've no idea who half the teams consist of and I've chaecked to see who they are already and I'm none the wiser

Ahem. Obviously written by someone who doesn't follow the sport, doesn't go to events, knows nothing about our juniors, doesn't read the Scottish Curler, or even follow the blog. If you did SD, you would be very aware who all the teams playing at Perth are. Good curlers they are. Top 18 in Scotland indeed.

As for SD and TAY's pontifications on the rules, if they were to read the rules carefully they will see that the minimum of six ends only applies to the Finals. Perth this weekend is only the qualifying competition. DA is quite correct in his interpretation.

I do not know who 'the auld yin' is, but his insinuation that the competitors at Perth, or indeed the umpiring team, are not playing to the rules is quite offensive. Ignorance is one thing but......

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2009, 08:01:12 PM »
p.25 of the current rule book clearly states that a minimum of 6 ends must be completed in Round Robin and tie-breaker games and 8 ends in play-off games. I accept that this in the paragraph headed Finals but since I can find no mention of ends played elsewhere I assumed that the same ruile applies.  I don't see how this can be considered offensive and I am not ignorant of the Rules.
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2009, 09:30:22 PM »
Quote from: the auld yin on December 20, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
Sorry DA - why bother with rules?  is that what you mean?

If this statement is not offensive, I don't know what is. It is offensive because you are implying that the umpiring team on duty at Perth this weekend don't know what they are doing. I can assure you they know the competition rules much better than you do.

You say you are not ignorant of the rules. You should know that a game of curling can be conceded at any time EXCEPT in certain competitions, usually when there is likely to be a lot of people watching, or when television is present. That is why the six end rule is in force for the FINALS, and 8 ends when it comes to the Page playoffs (and that's definitely because of the TV). Perth this weekend is just the Scottish prequalifying competition (not the Finals) and a team may concede any time they want - as indeed you may do in any club game you play.

I've just come from the Lockerbie Junior Invitation where the teams in the 3rd-4th playoffs agreed to play just four ends. That's not against the rules either.

But if you don't believe me, then an email to Alastair Hibbert at Cairnie House asking for your questions to be raised at the next umpires' and events' committee meetings will no doubt bring you an answer.

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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2009, 10:16:31 PM »
Quote from: hoglinewamphray on December 20, 2009, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: strathydoug on December 13, 2009, 10:44:26 PM
I've no idea who half the teams consist of and I've chaecked to see who they are already and I'm none the wiser

Ahem. Obviously written by someone who doesn't follow the sport, doesn't go to events, knows nothing about our juniors, doesn't read the Scottish Curler, or even follow the blog. If you did SD, you would be very aware who all the teams playing at Perth are. Good curlers they are. Top 18 in Scotland indeed.


As for SD and TAY's pontifications on the rules, if they were to read the rules carefully they will see that the minimum of six ends only applies to the Finals. Perth this weekend is only the qualifying competition. DA is quite correct in his interpretation

As to your comment on ending games at any point, many competitions require a minimum number of ends to be played at both ice rink and club level and I have been witness to the "enforcement" of these rules on more than one occasion.  That must have been when I was out playing the game instead of doing my research before posting!

I take great offence to your insinuation that I do none of the above(para 1).  I accept that I do not drag my carcass all over the country like your good self but you have no idea why that is not the case.  I actually know some of the competitors personally but I have a great deal more going on in my life than worrying about who the lead for "team 13" is that lives in Inverness!!  Perhaps my comment was a dig at the lack of coverage to those not on the Olympic track? If you refer to one of my earlier posts you will remember I'm sure that I do attend Junior competitions, not all of them but I do make the effort when I can.

Does this mean that I can't comment on anything on here???  I was making the point that not everyone knows a great deal about many of the teams, and was hoping that someone could enlighten those less informed, although having a pop at us seems like more fun.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 10:57:52 PM »
Quote from: strathydoug on December 20, 2009, 10:16:31 PM
Does this mean that I can't comment on anything on here???  I was making the point that not everyone knows a great deal about many of the teams, and was hoping that someone could enlighten those less informed, although having a pop at us seems like more fun.

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What you said was "I've no idea who half the teams consist of and I've checked to see who they are already and I'm none the wiser."

If you meant to say the above, then that is what you should have said. Just read the words you posted - you appear to say you don't know who half the teams at Perth are. That seemed to me to be a bit insulting to nine of the best teams in Scotland. No?

As far as allowing you to comment, then of course you can comment on anything you like. But when you comments seem to me to show someone who is out of touch, please allow me the same favour of responding, and saying so.  No one is 'taking a pop at you'. Such is the function of the Forum. Thank you.

Oh, and just one thing, I do not 'drag my carcass over the country'. These days I attend events by my choice when I am able to do so, and I can afford to do so. I do so, as a volunteer, because I love the sport and I want to give it as much publicity as I can.

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