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« on: December 11, 2010, 03:01:35 AM »


HGW today (Friday 10 Dec 2010) reported on the semi-annual WCF meeting at Champery.

The Olympic qualifying cycle will be reduced to 2 years with immediate effect.  The host nation will have an automatic berth.  (Russia in 2014).  The top seven teams in the 2012 and 2013 Worlds (eight if the host team does not qualify) will have an automatic berth.  In November 2013, there will be an Olympic Qualifying event open to all teams from the 2011, 2012 and 2013 Worlds that did not get an automatic berth.  This will fill out the rest of the 10 team Olympic card.

Mark

ps.  What would happen if England, Wales and Ireland qualified in addition to Scotland?  Not likely I know, but this would be most interesting for the IOC to sort out.  Team GBR in spades! Grin
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 07:37:55 AM »

The top seven teams in the 2012 and 2013 Worlds (eight if the host team does not qualify) will have an automatic berth.

Just to clarify this Mark. The seven teams which have the most ranking points over these two world championships get their places in Sochi. Regardless if the Russians get one point or many at the two Worlds they still have their places in Sochi. It is NOT eight teams other than the Russians ie it is not like the qualification for the worlds.

All other countries which play in the worlds in 2011, 12, and 13 who are not in this eight, get to playoff in the Olympic Qualifying event to find the remaining two.

It appears complicated I know, but I've had it explained in fair detail to me now, and I think (hope) I've got it correct.

Scotland carry the GB ranking points, and I haven't heard that there is/will be any change to this.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 07:08:38 PM »

I like the idea of a playoff for the last two places at the Olympics.


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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 04:53:57 AM »

Totally forgot about the GB Olympic points.  Still, you have to admit that if all four home nations (particularly Ireland) made it to the Worlds it would leave everyone with an interesting problem down the road.

Getting back to reality, do you have any idea why the Olympic qualifying was cut back from 3 years to 2 years?

I to like the idea of playdowns for the final places.  But I think that 3 years of qualifying is better than 2 years.  e.i. you can afford 1 bad year in 3 more than 1 bad year in 2.  Just my opinion.

Always willing to be corrected by someone who knows more than I do.  That would not take much in this situation!

Bob most certainly knows more than I do across the board!

Mark
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 05:47:27 PM »

The reduced qualifying time was at the behest, I understand, of the IOC. Most other sports have a qualifying time of 18 months, and the WCF argued for two years, ie two seasons. The IOC obviously want the best, ie the in form teams/competitors at the Olympic events.

My own feeling is that the two years is a good compromise, and the qualifying competition for the last two places may see some new faces in the mix come Sochi.

BTW none of this applies to wheelchair curling and the Paralympics. This seems to be continuing as before!

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 11:07:47 PM »

Scotland will continue to earn the GB Olympic Qualifying points for the next Olympics (and note that Ireland are not involved as they earn their own points as it is an all-Irish team beholden to the Irish Olympic committee).

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 03:50:25 AM »

The reduced qualifying time was at the behest, I understand, of the IOC. Most other sports have a qualifying time of 18 months, and the WCF argued for two years, ie two seasons. The IOC obviously want the best, ie the in form teams/competitors at the Olympic events.

My own feeling is that the two years is a good compromise, and the qualifying competition for the last two places may see some new faces in the mix come Sochi.

BTW none of this applies to wheelchair curling and the Paralympics. This seems to be continuing as before!

Bob

I am now totally at sea.  I can understand the reasoning for the 2 years, but not why this does not apply to wheelchair and Paralympics.  I guess I will now have to find a retail outlet where I am who sells Laphraig.  (I hope I got the spelling right, but regardless, it is my favorite single malt.

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 11:44:09 PM »

I agree with almost everything. I don't think it's fair for the rest of the national teams that the host nation gets an automatic berth. Anyhow, It's not like Russia has done much at the olympics in curling http://www.olympic.org/curling-curling-men
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 01:52:54 AM »

I agree with almost everything. I don't think it's fair for the rest of the national teams that the host nation gets an automatic berth. Anyhow, It's not like Russia has done much at the olympics in curling http://www.olympic.org/curling-curling-men

the russian men maybe, but privivkova did skip her team to a tiebreaker in 2006
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 04:37:02 PM »

Yes, I was talking about the men's national team. Women's have shown they're very good, besides they're bloody beautiful, all of them.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 01:19:10 AM »

I think it's fair enough the host get a spot , just because GB are about the only top tier team who cant host a winter olympics doesn't make it unfair. In  other sports host nations get a spot just for hosting and everyone else has to qualify , why should curling be different ?
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 12:55:49 PM »

I am no expert on this but does this happen with other sports at the Olympic games? Someone out there must know the answer?
I was aware that one of the gb gymnastic teams failed earlier this week to secure a place in London as they did not finish in the top 8 at the worlds. They will have another chance in a pre -event qualifier. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 10:58:00 PM »

It depends on the sport. For Athletics , Swimming and individual event sports there is a qualifying standard or time and a counmtry can enter several persons if they have exceeded the standard. Howevrr in Team sports the host gets a place. Think Football where there is no GB team although the BOA is trying to set one up to objections from the Welsh, Scottish and NI Footie associations. Basketball is another where  the GB team is not in the top group but has a team entered. Hockey is the same. Some sports will probably vary though.
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