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« Reply #225 on: March 03, 2010, 11:10:11 PM »

just a quick posting regarding Oarsmen.

There was actually a Mutiny by an Ox-bridge Crew when the Coach tried to change the make-up of the Crew.

In an Eight the choice of members is in the hands of the Coach, but no individual retains their place without the acceptance of the rest of the Crew. Most crews end up being a combination of Management recommendation and the Crew deciding who will take part.

In Pairs, Competitors either chose their partner or are introduced by Management.

In Fours, Coxed or otherwise, it is very much a combined effort.

I haven't rowed Competitively for a number of years, but keep in fairly close touch with the sport.

Management attempts to remove weaker Crew-members do not always succeed if the Crew feels it's dynamics are threatened.
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« Reply #226 on: March 04, 2010, 09:59:57 AM »

Excellent News!

I have just found out that both Aberdeen Curling Rink's "come and try" sessions are fully booked - 110 thats ONE HUNDRED AND TEN attendees are booked, and a third session is being planned for those currently unable to attend.


Our  Deveopment Officer has planned to follow this through with the clubs in December to see how many we converted.

I could start my usual Olympic rap about the evils of selection, elitist deformation of the spirit of the game etc - but this is such good news I shall S.F.U. for once.......
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« Reply #227 on: March 05, 2010, 10:02:08 AM »

We usually criticize but is this not one for some praise. This is being repeated around the country with similar results. I think we have to say that on this one the RCCC got it right.
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« Reply #228 on: March 05, 2010, 07:06:00 PM »

Monday 1st March seen 124 ( yes  one hundred and twenty four  ) attend come and try. As much as we can say yes it is a success , its such a shame it has come so close to the end of the season.there are only another 3 weeks left in Kirkcaldy   Sad  and I wonder how many of those we can retain. Does anyone else think this also HuhHuh
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« Reply #229 on: March 08, 2010, 10:44:07 AM »

i dont hear about the general public battering the doors of icerinks in to get a game - any new players are likely to be modest in number and i BET YOU THAT NEXT APRIL THERE WILL BE LESS RCCC MEMBERS THAN THIS APRIL - the olympics wont make a jot of difference to numbers and be like the last 3 or 4. When will that idea of olympic success producing players not working actually sink in? The key to increasing players is investment into grass roots sport not chasing medals.[/color]

So 2000 new people trying out the game at the RCCC come and try sessions - can you hear them battering now?
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« Reply #230 on: March 08, 2010, 11:45:17 AM »

It's not about the people who batter down the door to try curling it's the conversion rate to club members.  2,000 people trying curling is pointless if none of them come back in September and I'd be surprised if we see a big impact on club numbers.

We keep getting told we've had thousands of kids through the Curlings Cool program yet how many have actually joined junior clubs?  The conversion percentage will be very low.
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« Reply #231 on: March 08, 2010, 12:31:21 PM »

It's not about the people who batter down the door to try curling it's the conversion rate to club members.  2,000 people trying curling is pointless if none of them come back in September and I'd be surprised if we see a big impact on club numbers.

We keep getting told we've had thousands of kids through the Curlings Cool program yet how many have actually joined junior clubs?  The conversion percentage will be very low.
Why is that?

I can understand why the retention of kids is difficult - their interests change drastically as they go through the various stages of growing up, but I have trouble understanding why the conversion rate of adults coming along to Come-and-try sessions is so low.

Is it the clubs? Are they not interested/welcoming enough?
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« Reply #232 on: March 08, 2010, 04:22:53 PM »

The conversion rate can be low for a number of reasons:

Curling is a lot harder than people think when they have only seen the experts make it look so easy on TV - and it is cold - and so people's expectations are not in tune with reality. And unless the come and try evening involves people in a game as soon as possible they will get bored from standing around.

People come with friends often and if the friends do not want to go back then neither do the others - the sheep mentality.

Often the cost of a come and try evening is kept artificially low - when the true cost of a game is revealed that can be offputting.

Until you get involved in a club it can sometimes be difficult to convert your life to revolve around ice sessions at 5.30pm or 9.30pm - the one too early to get to from work, the other too late to be bothered going back out into the cold night.

Although you do not need to buy any equipment people do want to but new shoes and their own brush - and that can be a barrier to some - £120 for shoes and £40 for a brush - may not seem much to us but for some - and yes I know you can get brushes at the rink - but they never look as good as the ones you can buy yourself.

In Kent there are hire shoes which are cheap to use - maybe more rinks in Scotland should look at that as an option?

Just some suggestions based on past experience.

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« Reply #233 on: March 08, 2010, 05:41:23 PM »

I'd definitely be interested in giving it a go if the nearest curling rink wasn't about 200 miles away!!  There should be more rinks in England (south west preferably) or maybe I should just move to Scotland!!
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« Reply #234 on: March 08, 2010, 09:12:57 PM »

Just some suggestions based on past experience.

Ad nauseam (if that is how it's spelt!!). Two things matter to new curlers. Good ice, good guidance. I remember well, being told to teach new curlers to use a sliding delivery. It didn't work. I taught them the bowls delivery, that did work. What worked better than anything was the quality of ice. I taught the beginners on a Monday morning, when I got it right they were still curling on Friday. Then home, nowhere to curl, see you next year.

Hanging on to new curlers is not easy. There must be a reason why Fenton can't provide good curling ice to inspire his own local (English) curlers. If he were to tell me in an email, I will keep it confidential. I have to ask the question: WHO IS ADVISING YOU?
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« Reply #235 on: March 08, 2010, 09:28:59 PM »

I must defend the ice at Fenton's - it has been getting a lot of bad press on here unjustifiably but there is really not that much wrong with it  - it is good club ice.

I played it last week for the first time in a while and it had a super draw on both hands on the sheet I was on - the other sheets were different, but it is pretty keen though I did not time it I reckon it is about 25 secs tee to tee.

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« Reply #236 on: March 09, 2010, 06:44:39 AM »

I must defend the ice at Fenton's - it has been getting a lot of bad press on here unjustifiably but there is really not that much wrong with it  - it is good club ice.

I played it last week for the first time in a while and it had a super draw on both hands on the sheet I was on - the other sheets were different, but it is pretty keen though I did not time it I reckon it is about 25 secs tee to tee.

Apologies, JMLB, I do not wish to slag Fenton's ice, I simply wish to point out that good ice makes for good curling, especially with beginners.

"Seems reasonable that the event is held on good competitive Curling ice - I have not been to Fentons but I am told that the ice is of dubious quality", Sandy Morton -- 14 December 2009

"They had the foresight to make the decision to take this championship to Murrayfield on the basis that the ice for the Scottish Championships would be prepared similar to conditions likely to be encountered at the world level so that all competing teams, not only the winning team, would benefit from playing in these conditions.  And that was what we got." John Sharp -- 28 February 2010

Both quotes from the ECA thread. Good club ice can be anything from frozen water to WCF specification, create your own definition if you like.
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« Reply #237 on: March 13, 2010, 03:02:13 PM »


If you've got a spare hour or two, why not have a read through the 1,200 pages of curling results from the Olympics with shot by shot pictures for every end of every game!

http://www.vancouver2010.com/more-2010-information/media-centre/media-kits/official-results-book/

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« Reply #238 on: March 14, 2010, 05:32:35 AM »

Ice,
That info is amazing! Especially the stats and shot frames! Who would've thought there would be a 5 pt end scored at the Olympics of all places (if I remember correctly, one of those 5-pt ends was scored by Japan against Great Britain [women])! Thanks for sharing the link.




If you've got a spare hour or two, why not have a read through the 1,200 pages of curling results from the Olympics with shot by shot pictures for every end of every game!

http://www.vancouver2010.com/more-2010-information/media-centre/media-kits/official-results-book/


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