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« Reply #120 on: May 03, 2011, 10:11:11 PM »

ie reputation is pricesless, and to be defended at all costs.

(Missed from pvs post)

Whilst doing a google search on above - I found the Sunday Times article-
 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6815049.ece

In it they accuse Gail of removing Scotland banners for the last 2 games - Discuss

If accusation has been retracted by the Sunday Times then I apologise in advance
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« Reply #121 on: May 03, 2011, 10:44:53 PM »

Strutty, firstly welcome to the forum. It is always nice to see new members contributing, even if the topic has already been well aired and practically exhausted.

I cannot get hung up on the accusation (whether it be true or false) as to whether Gail and Lyndsay took down, or decided not to sit beside, Scottish flags. After all, God knows how they felt at that point in time. I cannot recall this being commented upon in the report, not to say it's not there, I just have not got the energy or inclanation to re-read, assuming I could even remember where it is filed (round file, I suspect).

My point is quite simple. In doggy language, Gail has was accused by Derek Broon, sanctioned by the curling establishment (wittingly or otherwise) of turning her back on her country. She is prepared to refute that, to the extent that she is exposing herself to the risk of the full cost of a court of session argument, should she lose. And against not a like for like individual who will shoulder the cost of losing, but an employee, funded by the "establishment". ie if Derek loses, he suffers nothing personally, cause he's employer liability funded. If Gail loses then she's got one mother of a costs bill to fund.personally. If you did not feel you were 100% right, is that the kind of risk you would take?

We can all carp and pontificate from the sidelines, but if somebody is prepared to put that kind of cash on the poker table because they feel they've been wronged, I think that simple action with the accpetance of the real risks involved speaks with considerably more volume than that monstrosity of a document, the ultimate in fudge , fog and non- commital circular argument that was titled the Vernon Report. Which by the way RCC members funded, lest we forget.
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« Reply #122 on: May 04, 2011, 09:02:01 AM »

Not having all the facts I am not sure DB/any coach will be covered by insurance. 

As I understand it insurance companies do not cover for illigal acts eg, a company has people driving vehicles but they do not hold a current driving licence for. They have a smash and write off a £100k lorry then the insurance company will pay any 3rd party damage but not pay out on the loss of the lorry, the company will be left with the bill if the driver was driving illigally. 

If DB has lied then I can see the insurance company not paying up and DB being left with a big bill.  Some insurance companies will try anyway they can to get out of paying up. 
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« Reply #123 on: May 04, 2011, 09:24:08 AM »

If Gail loses then she's got one mother of a costs bill to fund.personally. If you did not feel you were 100% right, is that the kind of risk you would take?

We can all carp and pontificate from the sidelines, but if somebody is prepared to put that kind of cash on the poker table because they feel they've been wronged.....

Guddler,

re. comment above.

Interesting argument.

May I venture the following names:-

Tommy Sheridan…..
Geoffrey Archer…..
Jonathan Aitken…..

All felt they had a reputation to defend and certainly those who leaned to the right had the money to fund their gamble.

Mr Aitken famously referred to the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play. Hopefully the Court of Session will prove him right.

P.S. Concur with your summary of the Vernon Report.
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« Reply #124 on: May 04, 2011, 11:37:25 AM »

I may be missing your point here Boss Hogg. What is the relevance of Sheridan, Archer and Aitken?   All are convicted liars and perjurers who went to court attempting to save political careers with libel actions based on lies.... all ultimately failed. I can see no connection at all, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #125 on: May 04, 2011, 12:48:34 PM »

jjk,

My response was purely in relation to the section of Guddlers post I quoted. The act of risking loss by pursuing legal action cannot be taken as proof that a party knows their claim to be just. The three cited were selected to prove that point. No other suggestion was intended.
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« Reply #126 on: May 04, 2011, 02:02:13 PM »

Boss Hog

In my conclusion - curling loses and only the legal profession gain from this . As for Gail putting her money on a "poker table" - has Derek not done the same by refusing any personal apology ? . As per other post- he may be personally liable if he loses.

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« Reply #127 on: May 04, 2011, 02:32:54 PM »

Mind you - I'm known for my diplomacy

Further proof......
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« Reply #128 on: May 04, 2011, 03:40:04 PM »

Ok , Boss Hogg..... i was struggling to understand the link. I wondered if Gail was due to stand as the honorable lady for Portpatrick South at the election tomorrow!!   Grin
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« Reply #129 on: May 04, 2011, 04:01:00 PM »

jjk,

Fairly sure Mrs Sheridan decided not to stand at the forthcoming election. Wink
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« Reply #130 on: May 18, 2011, 09:22:40 PM »

Anyone have any idea if this will hopefully be resolved by the time of the RCCC AGM?
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« Reply #131 on: May 19, 2011, 09:17:35 AM »

the judge in the defamation case involving Stranraer curler Gail Munro has reserved his ruling after hearing three days of evidence at the Court of Session in Edinburgh last week.


Mrs Munro, 43, is seeking £50,000 damages from Derek Brown, 44, who was the national coach at the World Ladies Curling Championships in Vernon, Canada, in 2008, where Mrs Munro was skipping the Scottish team.

Mrs Munro was dropped from the team by Brown for “performance reasons” and this lead to friction in the Scottish camp. The coach then told the media Munro had refused to play for her country. Mrs Munro strenously denied the accusation. Mr Brown, who is contesting the case, told the court he had based his comments on information he received from a third party.

Lord Doherty said he would announce his decision in due course.
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