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« on: July 24, 2011, 10:05:36 PM »


I am surprised at the lack of comment on this.  Last time round I expressed interest but didn't get the job.  This time round I think that I am too old (70) but I would hope to be able to support a younger Curler who wants to be involved.  Any offers?
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 02:11:13 PM »

Sandy, I must agree with you, there should be more discussion here. But looking at the bigger picture, I sense that curlers have had enough of this stuff. NCA and KCT, nothing happening. FCT, nothing happening. Grand Match, nothing there for two years despite very suitable conditions. RCCC, same old same old. ECF, president has quit. WCF, ousted theirs and still "doing good work". Nowhere in all this can I see anything to entice a serious, knowledgeable and suitable curler to apply for this position. Add to this the current serious financial pressure on everyone and getting worse yet, the curling world -- as I see it -- is at a crossroads. Those within the system are so self-absorbed and focused on what THEY think should happen, it really doesn't matter what the rest of the curlers think.

I will not even try to add comments regarding those very unsuitable people who managed to get their feet in the door during the past Olympic cycle, and without a job to pay the bills will no doubt be at the front of the list to get this one.....
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 04:17:25 PM »
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John
Have a look in the mirror. You have penned a picture of yourself.

Reflect on on what you contribute to curling. You are not even a paid member of any RCCC.
While I accept that the people involved in curling administration make many mistakes at least they are visably doing something constructive. All are elected to office and any member can oppose them and I am sure they would appreciate it if more members did stand.
Sandy from his little island over came all the difficulties to attend meetings when on the ASC and the ASC was the better for him. At least that give him the right criticise and and the rest of us to benefit from his wise council even if I don't always agree with him. 
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Don't sit on the outside spilling your bile, you will never be seen as a martyr only the _______ you are.
     

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 04:45:05 PM »

The facts of my contributions to curling are well known, but I fear not to you. Let's not spoil your obviously bad day, suffice it to say that I took two years out of curling for family reasons. If I ever join the RCCC again, it will be for good reason. Meanwhile my bile remains.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 05:10:26 PM »

Not for one moment would I consider throwing my hat in the Ring for this one...I wouldn't even get past first base Sandy....

I'm actually looking to increase my coaching qualifications...but in my other sport of athletics!

I feel that with The Olympics in 2012 & the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow in 2014, there will be renewed interest in field & track events, & that I might honestly be taken more seriously.

Small wonder that my loss to curling (ok I'll continue to play & coach) underlines why many of us at grass roots level feel "why bother....the decisions are already made by a cartel of individuals"

I wish my mother sport of curling well, but in future I'll just stick with athletics coaching & developing young athletes with potential, as it's clear that neither my face fits nor does any involvement give me any sense of fulfillment in the Sport.

Perhaps I have a too simplistic view of life......I thought enthusiasm & having a fanatical love of a sport was more important than moving in the correct social circles... Embarrassed
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2011, 05:30:01 PM »

Sandy from his little island over came all the difficulties to attend meetings when on the ASC and the ASC was the better for him. At least that give him the right criticise and and the rest of us to benefit from his wise council even if I don't always agree with him. 

Many thanks for the kind words - things like that made it all worth while.  I never cause arguments for arguments sake but I do enjoy healthy and constructive argument and I will also accept criticism when I am wrong.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 10:40:05 AM »
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Outwick,
I am nearing the end of my effective participation in Curling and sadly I have to admit after a lifetime in the sport you are correct.
The public image of the administration of the sport still continues to be that of the blue blazer brigade. It always disappoints me that we the membership except the brigade claiming the blazer as their entitlement as to having represented Scotland when in actual fact they have it simple because they could afford the time and money to go on a tour. If this is representing Scotland then all the club members playing against  incoming tours are also en titled to blazer because are they not representing Scotland. Members of the Area Standing committee are also entitled and expected to wear a blue blazer. Add the two situations together and what kind of image do they present. Ask the question of how many none tourists go on to be President.

To balance this, the formation of a management board has given the Membership the opportunity to change all of this. The real disappointment for the sport is that people like yourself drift out rather than stay and try to change things. If only one of the talented young people who post on here had stood for the board this year they would have been elected. Perhaps that’s not correct as the blazer brigade would no doubt have found an alternative candidate. It will of course be test of the current board to see who the nominate as a director, will they wheel out a recycled past president, or nominate an inspirational supporter of the 13000members, or a person who can bring to the board a sound successful business back ground from the none banking sector, or someone who will not rock the boat.
Anyone prepared to open a book on my runners or at least give them odds. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 12:59:03 PM »

Seniorsview, what a calm, considered and interesting post. Thanks, more of the same,  please.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2011, 05:54:33 PM »

So - did anyone apply?
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2011, 06:49:13 AM »

Mike Ferguson must have done, he got the job!
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2011, 04:09:21 PM »

Seniorsview, where are you for another calm considered posting on this news?
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2011, 08:42:38 PM »

About a week ago I received an email from a guy I met years ago, but have hardly seen since. He said: "How come this geaser can call you stuff and then go on to make the same sort of comments you've made?"

I guess Seniorsview is waiting for me to make a comment he can have a go at, so here it is!
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 07:26:39 PM »

New WCF Rep
A unique original choice or an opportunity missed?
So much for trying to introduce new blood, the old guard hold firm with a recycled board member.
A former Chairman of the Board who very rapidly went once the Vernon issue broke.  From memory it was due to the pressures of his business and not that some of the ___ might stick.  Since then he has added Forfar ice rink to his portfolio and again I think he said it would take all his efforts to make it a success.  He has done well with and it now appears the place for Royal club competitions so with his new role perhaps we can see it replacing Perth.
It would be wrong to think the Edzell based WCF President had hand in it would it not.
Perhaps it was his previous close working relationship with the current WCF CEO that swung it in his favour or the fact he would bring a breath of fresh air or is it “ice rink ownership” to RCCC representation. His international playing experience will be invaluable to WCF. I am certain the whole club membership will be pleased to be paying for his travelling to events for him to gain firsthand knowledge of the curling world.
Fundamentally does it really matter because do any of us have a clue what they do or achieve.
Have you ever had the chance to see a report by Edith or even picked up anything she may say at a meeting. Can any member recall having ever been asked an opinion on anything by her?  Therefore perhaps, who goes does not really matter they just have to nod their heads in line with the instructions of the old guard.
What an opportunity missed to encourage a younger experienced player to join.
However having said all that I would have lost my bet as my favourite was Robbie Scott who has at least attend more world championship than the rest put together.  So never try to outdo the old guard.
What the odds on a recycled ASC member being nominated as a Director being announced.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 08:40:03 AM »

I must agree with all of it. Not too sure about Forfar replacing Perth as the premier venue for competitions, but what does that matter to people like us!

It is unfortunate that the game of curling does attract very competitive people, and they become ever more competitive when it comes to holding office. While the RCCC or WCF will say that they appoint the best candidates, this is often the result of a fierce approach by some who need to succeed, no matter what. Whether they ever achieve anything while in office remains open to interpretation, because the ship is usually steered by a few very much wiser and less competitive souls. Who knows, we can but wait and see.
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