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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2011, 01:48:12 PM »

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As you are an expert on the the playing of the game perhaps you could advise the boy on the number of the Canadian Brier teams currently using a stop watch. I believe that none of the 12 top earning Canadian men's teams use stop watches, is this correct?   

Actually the team that tops the WCT money list at the moment (McEwan) do use watches.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2011, 02:04:02 PM »

Okay, I am 16 years old and curl with a backswing, I have been told by coaches that I shouldn't do it, even though it produces the shots most of the time. When I have asked why not to use it, I have merely been told; "just don't". Can anybody tell me why I shouldn't use it if I get the shots on target with it?

I'm not going to say shouldn't do it, but you'll probably find it more difficult to reach the very top of the game if you continue to use the backswing and the longer you leave it the more difficult you'll find it to change.

The real reason most top players don't lift the stone is so that they can keep the stone along the target line during the whole of the delivery.  When swinging the stone you actually end up coming off the target line as you have to swing the stone round your body.  The stone is then coming onto the target line at an angle (rather than straight), which makes it much more difficult to throw it consistently.

The coaches maybe should have explained it a little better, but you'll probably benefit from the change in the long run.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2011, 04:02:39 PM »

With regard to the Rock Watcher. I think that almost all the Junior Teams, in Scotland anyway, use it.

It is a very useful substitute for experience and during the learning process and in many cases, better than experience.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2011, 05:19:10 PM »

Eddie,
As you are an expert on the the playing of the game perhaps you could advise the boy on the number of the Canadian Brier teams currently using a stop watch. I believe that none of the 12 top earning Canadian men's teams use stop watches, is this correct?  

Even if none of the top teams didnt use stopwatches, it is still an enormous tool in actually getting to the top.
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2011, 08:54:17 PM »

Surly, however, if using a swing provides the results, then using it can't be seen as a hindrance?
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2011, 09:32:21 PM »

Surly, however, if using a swing provides the results, then using it can't be seen as a hindrance?

Well, what you have to ask yourself is what kind of results do you want to be able to produce in the future.

I am sure you would maybe able to throw 80% consistently with a back swing when you are older. But if you want to be a world champion, being able to throw it exactly the same as the rest of your team becomes more important. If all you want to do is be a consistant club curler then it will be fine. But if you have aspirations of being the best in the world, you are going to have to conform to give yourself the best chance of making that happen.
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2011, 09:37:45 PM »

Surly, however, if using a swing provides the results, then using it can't be seen as a hindrance?
As others have said and there are some very good Curlers on this thread - at least of national standard - they are using a tried and tested method of delivery which has been proven to work so the no back swing seems to be the way to go.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2011, 10:41:15 PM »


Well, what you have to ask yourself is what kind of results do you want to be able to produce in the future.

I am sure you would maybe able to throw 80% consistently with a back swing when you are older. But if you want to be a world champion, being able to throw it exactly the same as the rest of your team becomes more important. If all you want to do is be a consistant club curler then it will be fine. But if you have aspirations of being the best in the world, you are going to have to conform to give yourself the best chance of making that happen.

As others have said and there are some very good Curlers on this thread - at least of national standard - they are using a tried and tested method of delivery which has been proven to work so the no back swing seems to be the way to go.


Ok, thanks a lot. You have given me much to think of. I mean, naturally, I want to go as far as I can, and I suppose if it means changing old habits, then that is what it takes.
Still, it stops the wee ones standing behind the hack when I am delivering. Wink
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2011, 01:06:28 PM »

You will probably find a higher accuracy rate with the no swing delivery , use it for most shots but if you feel you need to swing for take outs  I say do it. The longer you play, the more you use it, the more accurate you will be which is exactly the same for the no swing delivery. Personally I use no swing because if you mis-time your put down and dunt the ice you wont be able to correct your shot in time.
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2011, 07:31:39 PM »

There has been a move for all coaching to "deliver" no-back-swing to the elite end of Scottish Curling for a variety of reasons, many listed above by some of Scotlands finest!

Looking at the Brier in Canada you'll see a wider variety of deliveries at their top end of the game than in Scotland.....but as to the fact that No Back-Swing is more acurate than Back-Swing I'd say that's rubbish.  In the correct hands its as accurate and its as effective.  All you need is a coach that's willing and able to coach that to you.  As to the toe slide and flat foot arguements I'd again say look at some of the gaes of the toe-sliders in the game and if it suits their knees then go for it!

Too often when coaching the coaches follow a given line from above (RCCC & Institute) and do not allow for differing bodies and techniques and adapt those persons deliveries to suit their physical abilities.  Also the coaching structure currently sufficates invention and ingenuity....I'd say go for whatever works best for you and just work at perfecting it!
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